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		<title>By: P2P Foundation &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Peer production against the meltdown</title>
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		<dc:creator>P2P Foundation &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Peer production against the meltdown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 21:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Hine re-formulated some of his propositions in the context of the weekend demonstrations in London last [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Pamela McLean</title>
		<link>http://agit8.org.uk/?p=307&#038;cpage=1#comment-150</link>
		<dc:creator>Pamela McLean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to raise the issue of paid-work (the day job) versus work-for-a-purpose (often, but not always, for no pay). 

Many of the people who I most respect consider that their day-job is a necessity but their &quot;purposeful work for no pay&quot; is far more important and valuable (to themselves and to others). I suggest that we might help the newly time-rich to find their own purposeful work through involvement in online communities of purpose. 

I was once in a small group discussion where people were talking animatedly about their work. All seemed in agreement until one person commented about his boss not allowing him to follow through on a particular area of interest.  Suddenly some previous odd comments he had made fell into place. Unlike others he was talking about work he was paid to do. He wasn&#039;t talking about the work that was his passion, the purposeful work that he did in his own time. He didn&#039;t have purposeful work of his own. He thought everyone was talking about day-jobs!

I think we should take a lead from the Open Source community (or at least, my understanding of it) i .e  some people write code in their own time, others get hired by organisations (like the OU wanting new Moodle applications perhaps). The code that is written all becomes available to everyone. If it is good then it is valued. Money has nothing to do with it. Code is not “better” because someone was paid to write it. No-one feels ashamed that they contirbuted their code in their own time instead of as part of their paid work. Or at least that is how I understand it to be.
 
The newly time-rich can be like a pool of people on secondment available to work alongside people who are already doing purposeful work for no pay.  I am not talking about  20th century volunteering. I am talking about the opportunity for first hand experience of work patterns that are emerging in 21st century:  more flexibility; a blurring of boundaries between working from home and working at work; an emphasis on collaborative work; the creation of  teams that form temporarily to achieve a given purpose. I know I could find purposeful, interesting and challenging  work for people if I didn&#039;t have to find money to pay them. I can&#039;t be alone in that. 

Maybe such involvement will only be a stop-gap for the newly-time-rich during a brief career break. Maybe it will be a new experience for them which will help them develop better skills for 21st century online collaboration. Maybe they will take their experience of emergent 21st century work patterns back into long established organisations and their structures for the
benefit of all. Maybe some people will decide against going back to full-time employment and will choose to develop a sustainable lifestyle that includes doing their work paid and unpaid – a bit  like my understanding of Open Source development. 

The newly time-rich are a national resource.  Let&#039;s get our act together to make use of them  before their skills get rusty, their work habits slide, their self respect plummets and a huge opportunity for skill use and development is wasted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to raise the issue of paid-work (the day job) versus work-for-a-purpose (often, but not always, for no pay). </p>
<p>Many of the people who I most respect consider that their day-job is a necessity but their &#8220;purposeful work for no pay&#8221; is far more important and valuable (to themselves and to others). I suggest that we might help the newly time-rich to find their own purposeful work through involvement in online communities of purpose. </p>
<p>I was once in a small group discussion where people were talking animatedly about their work. All seemed in agreement until one person commented about his boss not allowing him to follow through on a particular area of interest.  Suddenly some previous odd comments he had made fell into place. Unlike others he was talking about work he was paid to do. He wasn&#8217;t talking about the work that was his passion, the purposeful work that he did in his own time. He didn&#8217;t have purposeful work of his own. He thought everyone was talking about day-jobs!</p>
<p>I think we should take a lead from the Open Source community (or at least, my understanding of it) i .e  some people write code in their own time, others get hired by organisations (like the OU wanting new Moodle applications perhaps). The code that is written all becomes available to everyone. If it is good then it is valued. Money has nothing to do with it. Code is not “better” because someone was paid to write it. No-one feels ashamed that they contirbuted their code in their own time instead of as part of their paid work. Or at least that is how I understand it to be.</p>
<p>The newly time-rich can be like a pool of people on secondment available to work alongside people who are already doing purposeful work for no pay.  I am not talking about  20th century volunteering. I am talking about the opportunity for first hand experience of work patterns that are emerging in 21st century:  more flexibility; a blurring of boundaries between working from home and working at work; an emphasis on collaborative work; the creation of  teams that form temporarily to achieve a given purpose. I know I could find purposeful, interesting and challenging  work for people if I didn&#8217;t have to find money to pay them. I can&#8217;t be alone in that. </p>
<p>Maybe such involvement will only be a stop-gap for the newly-time-rich during a brief career break. Maybe it will be a new experience for them which will help them develop better skills for 21st century online collaboration. Maybe they will take their experience of emergent 21st century work patterns back into long established organisations and their structures for the<br />
benefit of all. Maybe some people will decide against going back to full-time employment and will choose to develop a sustainable lifestyle that includes doing their work paid and unpaid – a bit  like my understanding of Open Source development. </p>
<p>The newly time-rich are a national resource.  Let&#8217;s get our act together to make use of them  before their skills get rusty, their work habits slide, their self respect plummets and a huge opportunity for skill use and development is wasted.</p>
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		<title>By: Martyn Eggleton</title>
		<link>http://agit8.org.uk/?p=307&#038;cpage=1#comment-120</link>
		<dc:creator>Martyn Eggleton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 09:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been thinking that the kind of collaborative work that happens and grows in spaces like &#039;Access Space&#039; has (in some cases) the potential to be income generating (which whilst being financially good for the the country and the person but also good for self esteem and progress towards a better life).
But because of either the real or perceived benefits and tax red-tape / problems this doesn&#039;t happen, I personally know of thousands of pounds worth of activity that is lost this way.
I used to work for the job centre and I don&#039;t know how people can earn small amounts. Because of paypal the world is used to micro payments but as far as I know there is no good easy way of combining a micro payment based income with benefits easily (Especially at the start because you don&#039;t know how much people will demand what you have). We can help people develop their skills and collaborative together to produce brilliant stuff that makes us feel better but I think a push should be made to clarify / make this kind of earning easier so that creators can gain payment and all the psychological rewards of that .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been thinking that the kind of collaborative work that happens and grows in spaces like &#8216;Access Space&#8217; has (in some cases) the potential to be income generating (which whilst being financially good for the the country and the person but also good for self esteem and progress towards a better life).<br />
But because of either the real or perceived benefits and tax red-tape / problems this doesn&#8217;t happen, I personally know of thousands of pounds worth of activity that is lost this way.<br />
I used to work for the job centre and I don&#8217;t know how people can earn small amounts. Because of paypal the world is used to micro payments but as far as I know there is no good easy way of combining a micro payment based income with benefits easily (Especially at the start because you don&#8217;t know how much people will demand what you have). We can help people develop their skills and collaborative together to produce brilliant stuff that makes us feel better but I think a push should be made to clarify / make this kind of earning easier so that creators can gain payment and all the psychological rewards of that .</p>
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		<title>By: Diary of a Mad Natural Historian &#187; The first thing we do, let&#8217;s&#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diary of a Mad Natural Historian &#187; The first thing we do, let&#8217;s&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 13:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] what might actually be useful are some thoughts on the future of unemployment. Somebody twittered this link - whoever it was - thanks. Start with the numbers: worldwide, the UN estimates as many as 51 [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dougald</title>
		<link>http://agit8.org.uk/?p=307&#038;cpage=1#comment-98</link>
		<dc:creator>Dougald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 11:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Joseph - thanks for the links. Carson&#039;s &#039;Industrial Policy: New Wine in Old Bottles&#039; is one of the most interesting things I&#039;ve read this year - and it&#039;s certainly lurking in the background of this article. I must check out some of his other writing. And I&#039;ll have a look at the NEF pamphlet this afternoon. Thanks again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Joseph &#8211; thanks for the links. Carson&#8217;s &#8216;Industrial Policy: New Wine in Old Bottles&#8217; is one of the most interesting things I&#8217;ve read this year &#8211; and it&#8217;s certainly lurking in the background of this article. I must check out some of his other writing. And I&#8217;ll have a look at the NEF pamphlet this afternoon. Thanks again!</p>
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		<title>By: Josef Davies-Coates</title>
		<link>http://agit8.org.uk/?p=307&#038;cpage=1#comment-92</link>
		<dc:creator>Josef Davies-Coates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 22:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS @dougald you might also want to read http://www.neweconomics.org/gen/uploads/The%20Mutual%20State.pdf details here: http://www.neweconomics.org/gen/z_sys_publicationdetail.aspx?pid=77 

And this site: http://www.mutuo.co.uk/

Enjoy! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS @dougald you might also want to read <a href="http://www.neweconomics.org/gen/uploads/The%20Mutual%20State.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.neweconomics.org/gen/uploads/The%20Mutual%20State.pdf</a> details here: <a href="http://www.neweconomics.org/gen/z_sys_publicationdetail.aspx?pid=77" rel="nofollow">http://www.neweconomics.org/gen/z_sys_publicationdetail.aspx?pid=77</a> </p>
<p>And this site: <a href="http://www.mutuo.co.uk/" rel="nofollow">http://www.mutuo.co.uk/</a></p>
<p>Enjoy! <img src='http://agit8.org.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Josef Davies-Coates</title>
		<link>http://agit8.org.uk/?p=307&#038;cpage=1#comment-91</link>
		<dc:creator>Josef Davies-Coates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 22:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Chris - Barcelona FC is a mutual owned my its members too...
&quot;In June 2007, the number of socis (club members/owners) reached 156,366&quot;

And pretty damn successful too...
&quot;During the 2006-07 season, FC Barcelona was the third richest club in the world with a revenue of €291.1 million.&quot;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FC_Barcelona

@dougald - read Kevin Carson&#039;s excellent blog at http://mutualist.blogspot.com/ particularly http://mutualist.blogspot.com/2005/12/studies-in-anarchist-theory-of.html 

Smiles,

Josef.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Chris &#8211; Barcelona FC is a mutual owned my its members too&#8230;<br />
&#8220;In June 2007, the number of socis (club members/owners) reached 156,366&#8243;</p>
<p>And pretty damn successful too&#8230;<br />
&#8220;During the 2006-07 season, FC Barcelona was the third richest club in the world with a revenue of €291.1 million.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FC_Barcelona" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FC_Barcelona</a></p>
<p>@dougald &#8211; read Kevin Carson&#8217;s excellent blog at <a href="http://mutualist.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://mutualist.blogspot.com/</a> particularly <a href="http://mutualist.blogspot.com/2005/12/studies-in-anarchist-theory-of.html" rel="nofollow">http://mutualist.blogspot.com/2005/12/studies-in-anarchist-theory-of.html</a> </p>
<p>Smiles,</p>
<p>Josef.</p>
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		<title>By: Dougald</title>
		<link>http://agit8.org.uk/?p=307&#038;cpage=1#comment-87</link>
		<dc:creator>Dougald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comments. For anyone who&#039;s interested in picking up this conversation elsewhere (including face-to-face), send me a direct message on Twitter - http://twitter.com/dougald

@Noel - it&#039;s good to hear that what I&#039;m talking about makes some sense from your side, as someone inside a council. I&#039;m keen to get a clearer sense of how these ideas can connect to existing structures, so I hope we can discuss this further. I&#039;ll be in touch.

@Chris - I really appreciate your comment. The situation&#039;s too serious for the kind of &quot;social media will solve all our ills&quot; wishful thinking.

On your first point, I must find out more about mutualism as an economic model - who would be good to talk to about this? My thoughts about the mutual-improvement movement were inspired by Jonathan Rose&#039;s &#039;The Intellectual Life of the British Working Classes&#039;, which is a fascinating book with lots of detail on the history of self-organised institutions and grassroots education. At a neighbourhood level, I think there&#039;s a lot of possibilities for borrowing from that history, without venturing into official legal structures at all - as Mark Gibbens&#039; comments on my original blogpost suggest:

http://otherexcuses.blogspot.com/2009/01/social-media-vs-recession.html

Very interested in your second point, because I&#039;ve been squinting at &quot;social media&quot; and wondering if there&#039;s a better term. I&#039;ve done a bit of work with Access Space under the label &quot;collaborative cultures&quot;, which in some ways gets closer to the essential character of what we&#039;re talking about. (At the risk of disappearing into theory, I also like Ran Prieur&#039;s attitude that you should always be varying the key terms you use, so as to be clear that they&#039;re only an approximation.) Any suggestions for other terms that might work?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comments. For anyone who&#8217;s interested in picking up this conversation elsewhere (including face-to-face), send me a direct message on Twitter &#8211; <a href="http://twitter.com/dougald" rel="nofollow">http://twitter.com/dougald</a></p>
<p>@Noel &#8211; it&#8217;s good to hear that what I&#8217;m talking about makes some sense from your side, as someone inside a council. I&#8217;m keen to get a clearer sense of how these ideas can connect to existing structures, so I hope we can discuss this further. I&#8217;ll be in touch.</p>
<p>@Chris &#8211; I really appreciate your comment. The situation&#8217;s too serious for the kind of &#8220;social media will solve all our ills&#8221; wishful thinking.</p>
<p>On your first point, I must find out more about mutualism as an economic model &#8211; who would be good to talk to about this? My thoughts about the mutual-improvement movement were inspired by Jonathan Rose&#8217;s &#8216;The Intellectual Life of the British Working Classes&#8217;, which is a fascinating book with lots of detail on the history of self-organised institutions and grassroots education. At a neighbourhood level, I think there&#8217;s a lot of possibilities for borrowing from that history, without venturing into official legal structures at all &#8211; as Mark Gibbens&#8217; comments on my original blogpost suggest:</p>
<p><a href="http://otherexcuses.blogspot.com/2009/01/social-media-vs-recession.html" rel="nofollow">http://otherexcuses.blogspot.com/2009/01/social-media-vs-recession.html</a></p>
<p>Very interested in your second point, because I&#8217;ve been squinting at &#8220;social media&#8221; and wondering if there&#8217;s a better term. I&#8217;ve done a bit of work with Access Space under the label &#8220;collaborative cultures&#8221;, which in some ways gets closer to the essential character of what we&#8217;re talking about. (At the risk of disappearing into theory, I also like Ran Prieur&#8217;s attitude that you should always be varying the key terms you use, so as to be clear that they&#8217;re only an approximation.) Any suggestions for other terms that might work?</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2009-02-09 - the prophet king governance</title>
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		<dc:creator>links for 2009-02-09 - the prophet king governance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 02:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] » Features » The Future of Unemployment What do you do when you find yourself with a lot more time and a lot less money on your hands than you’re used to? That may be the most important question of 2009. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: dmfreedom &#187; Twitter Updates for 2009-02-09</title>
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		<dc:creator>dmfreedom &#187; Twitter Updates for 2009-02-09</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 01:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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